{"id":3406,"date":"2014-02-07T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-02-06T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/srdevsite.soundreef.com\/music-rights-and-music-distribution-an-interview-with-timothy-trudeau-part-1\/"},"modified":"2021-05-07T12:49:27","modified_gmt":"2021-05-07T10:49:27","slug":"music-rights-and-music-distribution-an-interview-with-timothy-trudeau-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.soundreef.com\/en\/blog\/music-rights-and-music-distribution-an-interview-with-timothy-trudeau-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Music rights and music distribution: an interview with Timothy Trudeau: part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/af04451695dd889a88f5857f04e325b9.jpg\" style=\"cursor: default;\"><\/p>\n<p><i>Hannah Boothby, Soundreef<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>Tim Trudeau is CEO of&nbsp;Syntax Creative. He has experience in all<br \/>\nareas of the music industry \u2013 he started out as an artist, and&nbsp;soon progressed<br \/>\nto artist management, promoting other musicians and brand building. In the late<br \/>\n\u201890s, a revolutionary distribution deal he made meant that his band Sackcloth<br \/>\nFashion could reach a national audience while still retaining all the rights to<br \/>\ntheir music. By the time he was 25, Trudeau was the president of a record label<br \/>\nthat he co-founded. Many of the artists he helped launch are still touring full<br \/>\ntime and successful to this day. <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>In part 1 of our interview, he discusses Soundreef, how to<br \/>\nsell music online, how the music business works and how to promote your music.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Timothy originally heard about Soundreef through Davide<br \/>\nD\u2019Atri\u2019s first startup,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.beatpick.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Beatpick<\/a>, which led him to Soundreef. His&nbsp;company, Syntax Creative, is registered with Soundreef, and he\u2019s pleased with<br \/>\nthe results so far. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018We\u2019ve only been working with Soundreef for a short time \u2013 I<br \/>\ndon\u2019t think you have a full catalogue yet. I was impressed with how well it<br \/>\nperformed with just the little bit of catalogue we did use so far.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Syntax Creative works with over 100 record labels, but most<br \/>\nof their catalogue isn\u2019t specifically for background use. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018The majority of what we\u2019re working with is commercially<br \/>\nreleased music. These are touring artists that travel the nation and maybe even<br \/>\nabroad, performing their music for audiences on radio and television.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>While touring is a main source of income for both<br \/>\nindependent and major label bands, there are other ways artists can earn from<br \/>\ntheir music.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018We do have a lot of instrumentals of the music that is<br \/>\nperformed \u2013 take the vocals out and pass the instrumental versions around. That<br \/>\nopens up your ability to make money on that song in ways that you haven\u2019t<br \/>\nbefore and we\u2019ve been doing that for a long time, before we were a distributor<br \/>\nfor other people\u2019s music.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Getting music used in a soundtrack can be a very efficient<br \/>\nway to make music. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018I think it was around the year 2000 when we got our first<br \/>\nhuge placement \u2013 it was a Michael Douglas movie. We were making music already,<br \/>\nbut when we got a song placed in a major film, that\u2019s when the lightbulb turned<br \/>\non! We can work all year long, working our butts off, and make a little bit of<br \/>\nmoney, or you get one song licensed, one time, in one film, and that can change<br \/>\neverything \u2013 that can crush all other work you\u2019ve done!\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>\u2018So from the year 2000 on, we started a publishing company,<br \/>\nand we weren\u2019t only exploiting our own work, but were looking for other writers<br \/>\nand people we could work with. So companies like Soundreef and others we<br \/>\npartnered with around the world have been excellent revenue streams for us, in<br \/>\nways that most artists never even imagine, because they think music business is,<br \/>\n\u201cmake music and sell it to fans\u201d. That\u2019s the toughest way to make money on<br \/>\nmusic! But again, that\u2019s what most people focus on.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Tim has been in the music business a long time. Has he<br \/>\nnoticed artists getting more savvy about music rights and music publishing?<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Again, it\u2019s really tough to speak about artists in general<br \/>\nbecause you\u2019re always going to find someone out there who is the exception, but<br \/>\nI would say there seems to be a misunderstanding of how it all works.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>He thinks that this misunderstanding is to do with the way music<br \/>\nis conveyed to the consumer. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018A lot of people that consume music are the next batch of<br \/>\nartists, so what they\u2019re hearing on record, what they\u2019re seeing in music<br \/>\nvideos, is \u201ceducating\u201d them how it works. The way they show business, the way<br \/>\nthey talk about it or the way they portray it in music videos is completely off!<br \/>\nYou have a brand new artist that is driving around a $250,000 vehicle that was<br \/>\nrented just for the music video, and then after the music video is done, he has<br \/>\nto turn it back in and go back to driving a regular car like the rest of us.<br \/>\nAnd so you have a lot of that that\u2019s feeding into the ignorance of not only<br \/>\nestablished artists, but artists that are coming up.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>What does he think the biggest changes have been for artists?<\/p>\n<p>\u2018The barrier of entry has definitely been lowered and that\u2019s<br \/>\nnot just iTunes, but iTunes is a part of that. So, for example, artists can now<br \/>\nwalk into&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.guitarcenter.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Guitar Center<\/a>&nbsp;and spend $300 on recording equipment, run back home, get it set up in 30<br \/>\nminutes, record a song, upload it to digital retail through a distributor and<br \/>\nthen it\u2019s up within a week or so\u2026 then they start selling it, then\u2026 Honestly,<br \/>\nit\u2019s not as easy as I\u2019m making it sound, but still!\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Things were different in the \u201890s, when Trudeau was starting<br \/>\nout. Getting an artist off the ground was expensive, time consuming and<br \/>\ncomplicated. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018You needed a huge partner \u2013 it\u2019s like when you buy a house,<br \/>\nyou need a bank that\u2019s going to supply the upfront mortgage.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>You also needed backing and distribution, but this has<br \/>\nchanged. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018I don\u2019t think it\u2019s required any more \u2013 it still helps, but<br \/>\nit\u2019s not required any more so you have a lot of independent artists who just<br \/>\nhappen to be crafty with social networks and other things, and they\u2019re able to<br \/>\ncreate a small platform that allows them to pay their bills. And that\u2019s great because<br \/>\nit levels the playing field for everyone.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>The other big factor in an artist\u2019s success is airplay.<br \/>\nTrudeau points out that radio channels control the music that people hear, and<br \/>\ntherefore what music they like. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018Essentially, you have these giant corporations that are<br \/>\ncontrolling the fads of the decades. So everyone feels like they have free will<br \/>\nto walk around and do whatever they want, but there are just a few people who<br \/>\nare behind it all, that are controlling what your childhood feels like, tastes<br \/>\nlike, smells like.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Trudeau suggests that the music we listen to has become so<br \/>\nhomogeonised that genres have become indistinguishable from one another. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018You might put on a country station, a hip hop station, or<br \/>\nadult contemporary, and it\u2019s so weird that they actually all sound the same and<br \/>\nI don\u2019t even understand why they do separate it. Why are you calling that<br \/>\ncountry? It sounds the same as what I just heard on this rap station.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Even in the digital age, with new artists more easily<br \/>\naccessible to the public? Are the means of music distribution and production<br \/>\nstill controlled by relatively few people? <\/p>\n<p>\u2018Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you turn on the radio that\u2019s<br \/>\nstill what\u2019s happening, but the difference now is there\u2019s more options. So, for<br \/>\nexample, when I get into my car, I can listen to AM radio or FM radio, but I<br \/>\ncan also listen to Satellite radio as well \u2013 they\u2019re a little more open to<br \/>\nplaying independent stuff.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>But users now have more freedom to control the program. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018People can be their own disc jockey while they drive. Just put<br \/>\nyour mp3 player or your phone and it\u2019s going to shuffle between the songs that you<br \/>\npicked, so the idea of programming is essentially moving away because everyone<br \/>\nhas become their own programme director or curator.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>How have things changed for record labels, distributors and<br \/>\nmusic publishers? Trudeau believes that, although the process is pretty similar<br \/>\nto what it used to be \u2013 just much more efficient.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018The basic model of what we do is very similar to the way<br \/>\nit\u2019s been for a long time, as far as how we prepare a record that we\u2019re going<br \/>\nto release. The technology has made it easier to assemble the content that\u2019s<br \/>\nneeded and easier to collaborate on that with people across the country and the<br \/>\nworld. You don\u2019t have to be in the same boardroom any more, so there\u2019s a lot of<br \/>\nbenefits to the technology, but the basically what is happening is very<br \/>\nidentical to the nineties, when they were working with large, physical<br \/>\ndistributors.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>\u2018So we haven\u2019t really changed what we do \u2013 what has been<br \/>\ncool is there seems to be a trend in the digital space that is turning it back<br \/>\nto being song driven, where it\u2019s more about the song and less about the album.<br \/>\nIs the song good? And if it\u2019s good we\u2019re going to play it. That is kind of<br \/>\nreminiscent of the fifties or the sixties.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>The ethos was very different then, with songs selected by<br \/>\ntastemakers rather than by a boardroom.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018You had, rather than a person that was controlling it in one<br \/>\ncity, all the&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.clearchannel.com\/Pages\/Home.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Clear Channel<\/a>&nbsp;stations or something like that, individual DJs who were picking songs they<br \/>\nliked, and they were very regional. So what we found is, we might have an<br \/>\nartist that is extremely talented, making great music, and we can get an editor<br \/>\nat a digital store to hear it and they like it, they can place it\u2026 it\u2019s back to<br \/>\ntastemakers, it\u2019s back to people that like music. There\u2019s a level of control<br \/>\nthat\u2019s coming back to people that actually like music, and less board<br \/>\nroom-driven policies and stuff like that. Yes, that\u2019s always going to exist and<br \/>\nevery time you figure something, someone else figures out how to scale,<br \/>\nindustrialise, and capitalise it on it as well, that won\u2019t disappear \u2013 like one<br \/>\nday it\u2019s just going to magically disappear and everything\u2019s going to be taste<br \/>\ndriven. But there is a move in that direction in the digital space and I really<br \/>\nlike that.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>And this might even make his job a distributor a bit more<br \/>\nstraightforward.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018The base problem with physical distribution is that any<br \/>\nphysical distributor can get products on to the shelf, but it\u2019s getting the<br \/>\nproducts off the shelf \u2013 that\u2019s not the distributor\u2019s job, it\u2019s the artist<br \/>\nand\/or label\u2019s job. And a lot of artists or labels don\u2019t seem to understand<br \/>\nthat \u2013 they think, when you sign up with a distributor, that it means you\u2019re going<br \/>\nto magically start collecting cheques because you\u2019re just going to be selling<br \/>\ntons of records, but all they\u2019re doing is getting it on the shelf and your job<br \/>\nis to get it off. A lot of them don\u2019t know how to do that. They\u2019re saying that<br \/>\ndistributors are stiffing them, they\u2019re not giving people their money, but in<br \/>\nreality, they owe their distributor money because the distributor spent a lot<br \/>\nof money to get you on the shelf, and you\u2019re not selling so now you owe them<br \/>\nmoney.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>In part 2 of this interview, we\u2019ll hear what Trudeau thinks<br \/>\nabout music royalties, music distribution, and working with a collecting<br \/>\nsociety.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><i>Based in San Diego California,&nbsp;Syntax Creative&nbsp;offers<br \/>\nservices ranging from administering copyrights, worldwide distribution,&nbsp;marketing and social strategy, creative direction, and launching a brand from<br \/>\nconcept to creation. Follow Timothy Trudeau on&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/rocdomz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">twitter<\/a>&nbsp;or&nbsp;Facebook.&nbsp;<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hannah Boothby, Soundreef Tim Trudeau is CEO of&nbsp;Syntax Creative. He has experience in all areas of the music industry \u2013 he started out as an artist, and&nbsp;soon progressed to artist management, promoting other musicians and brand building. 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